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Buffett reportedly has sold nearly all of   certainly enough lower tech opportuni-  outside of Chicago, and tried to repli-
                his position in Wells Fargo after holding   ties out there for them, too. But every-  cate it in Miami. But that venture was
                the stock since the 1980s. Please discuss.  thing is valued sky-high, and Buffett   disastrous.  [However, the worst invest-
                Buffett  and  [vice  chairman]  Charlie   won’t commit capital if a company isn’t   ing mistake was] Dexter Shoe, probably.
                Munger stood by Wells when it had the   at the right price. The discipline they   The value of the business quickly went
                accounts-opening scandal. Their posi-  have is superhuman. It’s just a matter of   down.  A recent  mistake was  Precision
                tion was that Wells had learned its les-  Berkshire waiting out the current inter-  Castparts, a business they bought for
                son — they paid the price for the [sales]   est rates and valuation landscape.  $35 billion in 2016. Buffett has said he
                incentives  they  had  put  in  place.  But,                        overpaid. They wrote down the value by
                then, when other things were happening   Does Buffett regret not having invested   $10 billion.
                at Wells, they [finally] said, “We’re not   in tech earlier?
                comfortable with this.” And their atten-  He’s said that he should have bought   One Berkshire strategy is buying
                tion shifted to Bank of America, which   Google stock. So it’s not just things that   companies that have little growth
                they saw as a better investment.  you do but the things you don’t do,   potential but that generate cash they
                                                  which is the full opportunity cost.   can use. Please discuss.
                Last year, many observers thought that                              They take the cash  from  a business
                Buffett had lost his mojo. Was there   What’s been the main secret to   that doesn’t grow as long as the capi-
                anything to that, do you think?   Berkshire’s success?              tal  they invest in that  business  is  still
                Yes and no. It’s accurate only insofar as   The real secret is in plain sight: Berkshire   earning a good return. They do dif-
                Berkshire’s size prevents it from growing   had a long runway to compound, a CEO   ferent things with the cash that are
                as much as it had in the past. Berkshire   in place for 55 years and continually   beneficial to growth. In a conglomerate
                has largely continued the same playbook   operating within their circle of compe-  structure, you can take that cash and
                over the years. They stick to their knit-  tence. It’s a business masterpiece. They   move it elsewhere and re-invest it to
                ting, [but] the world changes. So some   grew what they knew over time but   its highest potential — and without tax
                thought Berkshire might have lost its way.  maintained a level of conservatism as   consequences, though they have to pay
                                                  the years went along.             income taxes on the profits.
                What about the growth aspect?
                The universe of companies that fits their   You write that Buffett’s legacy is “a   “It will be hard for corporate raiders
                criteria has shrunk, and it’s really hard to   formula for long-term sustainable   to break up the conglomerate” after
                grow [a conglomerate so large] especial-  success that maximizes human   Buffett’s death if Berkshire‘s successors
                ly when they retain all their earnings and   potential.” What’s the formula?  follow the same strategies as he has
                haven’t paid out a dividend, although   Berkshire looks for good old-fashioned   and the company “doubles in size,” you
                they repurchased shares this past year.  values. They take the high road. They   write. Why would it? 
                  Berkshire has this reputation for buy-  push the individuals [managing their   Berkshire has tied so many things
                ing lower-tech companies. If they don’t   companies] to go forward — they moti-  together in such a way — some inten-
                grow or if they’re cyclical or boring, it   vate  them  with  autonomy  and  trust.   tionally, some not  — that will make it
                really doesn’t matter so much as how   They’re careful whom they trust, but   very hard to break up the company.
                they’re doing in terms of earning returns   once they find someone they trust, they   If  Berkshire  becomes  a  trillion-dollar
                on the capital they’ve [deployed] — it’s   give  them  really wide  discretion  as  to   company, it would be very difficult to
                the cash that an investment can give   running their business.      raise that much capital. Insiders and
                you. Berkshire has picked up companies   What’s the roughest patch that   major shareholders would be against
                                                                                    [a breakup]. So the numbers and the
    Christopher Goodney/Bloomberg  off cash and are generally secure in their   The early ’80s through early ’90s  — a   up Berkshire.
                that might not be exciting — like Acme
                Brick, really low tech — but that throw
                                                  Berkshire has experienced?
                                                                                    owners’ feelings bode against breaking
                                                  whole decade’s worth of underwrit-
                economic position.
                                                  ing insurance losses that really chal-
                                                                                    Jane Wollman Rusoff is a contributing
                                                  lenged them. Berkshire is still very
                But Berkshire now has big investments
                                                                                    editor who specializes in interviews with
                                                  much an insurer. But in that decade,
                in high tech; Apple, in particular.
                                                                                    thought leaders. An author and prolific
                Yes. Apple was the largest investment in
                                                  they had some mishaps. For example,
                                                                                    journalist, Jane is founder of www.
                                                  they  bought Home & Auto  Insurance,
                terms of actual dollars outlaid. There are
                                                                                    FamilyStarProductions.com.
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