Help Your Clients With This 'Embarrassing' Task Before They Get Married

Q&A December 31, 2024 at 03:04 PM
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Married couples can and do fight about money — but most are inept at clearly communicating about it.

Ekaterina Klimentova, a tax partner in Cerity Partners, maintains that financial advisors who facilitate premarital money talks perform one of the most beneficial services for their client couples.

“It’s embarrassing for most couples to start this conversation. … It’s not romantic to talk about money,” Klimentova, co-author of the 2021 white paper “In a Relationship? So Are Your Finances” says in an interview with ThinkAdvisor. “But if a couple doesn’t do it before they marry, it can be devastating.”

Before joining Cerity, which oversees more than $100 billion in client assets and ranks seventh on Barron’s list of Top 100 RIAs for 2024, Klimentova was associate managing director at Lebenthal Family Office and a tax and family office manager at Neuberger Berman’s Executive Monetary Management.

Klimentova focuses largely on helping client couples “cohabitate soundly financially,” as she puts it. That includes learning about each other’s “financial personality.” Up next: creating a financial plan, as well as becoming aware of the power of starting retirement planning early.

In the interview with Klimentova, a CPA and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst, she discusses the need to delve into martial property versus separate property, prenuptial agreements (“… like a living will for the marriage”) and tax planning as a couple (“… look long and hard before you sign a [joint] return.”)

Here are excerpts from our conversation:

THINKADVISOR: The inability of spouses to communicate about finances is the second-leading cause of divorce after sexual infidelity, a 2018 Ramsey Solutions study found. Your thoughts?

EKATERINA KLIMENTOVA: I agree 100%. This [issue] is a major cause of financial infidelity, which indicates that financial infidelity probably occurs as much as [sexual] infidelity.

When you discover something hidden in a spouse’s financial dealings, it’s very traumatizing. I’ve seen it leading to a lot of divorces.

So marital financial planning is critical. Right?

Open and honest communication about financial life is vital for a healthy relationship. Unfortunately, money still has a lot of stigma. It’s not romantic to talk about money.

But if a couple doesn’t do it before they marry, it can be devastating. It’s very important for people to learn about each other as financial personalities: For example, one could be a saver, one a spender.

Once expectations are set, you can start planning around those strengths and weaknesses and how to manage them.

Such as?

If one is a spender, maybe they shouldn’t handle the joint checking account from which all household bills are paid. And maybe they should have an “allowance.” They might have a [spending limit] of, say, $1,000.

Should the financial advisor facilitate a money talk for the couple before they marry?

Yes, because it’s embarrassing for most couples to start this conversation. Some people are cool about it, but not the majority. Even the most financially astute find it hard to start a money conversation.

When should a financial advisor introduce it?

The most important thing is being proactive versus dealing with the aftermath [of a financial calamity].

Every problem can have a solution if it’s property planned for and you’re being proactive.

What should be brought up in the money talk?

What are your goals? Do you want to buy a house? Have a kid? How do you get there? What do you ordinarily do with your paycheck? Does part go into your savings? Does all of it go into your checking account? Does it immediately go to pay your credit card bill?

What does the advisor do with the answers?

Interprets them to help the couple function and cohabitate soundly financially.

There's no judgment. No matter the answer, it’s the right answer. It’s about facilitating the dialogue.

What else should be discussed?

Expectations for spending and saving and how assets and debts will be handled. It seems obvious that if you’re a couple, you combine everything. But ownership of an asset can take different forms, and the way they’re divided [differs] in the event of divorce.

Also, what if one person comes into the marriage with significant wealth? How do you handle marital property vs. separate property? Planning is crucial.

Why should couples, especially HNW and UHNW couples, do a prenuptial agreement?

Think about that as an insurance policy. It’s almost like a living will for the marriage.

There’s a very big stigma about a prenuptial. But all it is, really, is a contract between people who love each other about how they see their financial lives together, establishing some guardrails and boundaries and laying out their wishes early on.

It's very important not to see it as, “Oh, you’re asking me for a pre-nup because you don’t believe in our relationship.”

Why is it necessary for couples to have a financial plan for their future together?

Because you have to set clear goals: You want to have a house, a vacation home, send your future kids to the best schools. But how do you accomplish what you want?

Financial life is never static. It’s a living, breathing thing.

When [wants] in the plan come to fruition, it shows you’re the master of your financial destiny: You can get where you want to go with careful planning.

Should a couple discuss retirement planning pre-marriage?

Yes. Start early. Younger couples say, “But retirement is a million years from now.”

That’s when [the advisor] shows them the power of compounding. Over time, [whatever amounts they save turn into] real money, and that’s very empowering.

So is the power of tax deferral and in some cases no tax, as with Roth IRAs [until withdrawals].

What else should couples know about tax planning before marriage?

They should be planning for taxes as a couple. There’s a common belief that filing jointly is beneficial for most married couples, which in most cases is true. But, actually, it depends.

There could be a circumstance where one spouse has a lot of medical expenses, for example. In that case, it would be beneficial, if they also have very little income, to file a separate return.

What other tax issues should a couple planning to wed be aware of?

Someone could marry a businessman [or woman] who’s involved in a lot of deals but their spouse doesn’t understand what those deals entail — and a little voice inside their [head] is saying, “Something doesn’t smell right.”

That spouse has an absolute right to file a separate return because when you file jointly, you’re not only jointly and severally liable for what you have reported on the return — you’re also jointly and severally liable for what you’re not reporting.

So if your spouse isn’t reporting income or has other tax indecencies, you can be held for all those tax liabilities even though they have nothing to do with you.

What’s the best way for the unknowing spouse to handle that sort of situation?

You have to look long and hard before you sign a tax return. I hear very frequently, “My husband deals with the taxes. I just sign.”

That’s a very, very bad approach because there can be a lot of repercussions and implications of “just signing.”

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