Jamie Hopkins: Clients Will Leave RIAs That Don't Offer This Service

Q&A December 23, 2024 at 04:13 PM
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The future is clear, according to Jamie Hopkins: Unless RIAs start providing in-house trust services, clients will take such business to the increasing number of competitors who do offer it.

“By not getting involved in the estate planning and trust business, RIAs are definitely putting their business revenue at risk long term,” Hopkins, chief wealth officer of WSFS Bank and CEO of Bryn Mawr Capital Management, a WSFS subsidiary, argues in an interview with ThinkAdvisor. “To serve next-generation clients, they need to offer this.”

Hopkins, who moved to Bryn Mawr as director of private wealth management in September 2023, unpacks a number of important reasons for RIAs to step up and embrace trust work. He suggests that they partner with one to three trust companies. WSFS Bank is a large bank and trust company in the Greater Philadelphia and Delaware region.

In 2020, Hopkins founded FinServ Foundation, a nonprofit developing the next generation of financial professionals, of which he is president. Kellan Brown, executive director, earlier this month was a winner of a ThinkAdvisor 2024 “Luminaries with a Heart” award.

In the interview with Hopkins, previously managing partner of wealth solutions at Carson Group, he suggests that trust work offers RIA clients added value to contribute to their “all-in-one experience.”

Here are highlights of our conversation:

THINKADVISOR: How significant is estate planning to the advisory business?

JAMIE HOPKINS: In the last couple of years, estate planning services, like Vanilla and Wealth.com, have popped up because the estate planning aspect is becoming important in financial planning.

Investing, tax planning, insurance all came before because that’s where we were meeting clients in the life cycle of their need.

So this is the natural evolution. The estate planning wave really is the next big financial planning service that RIAs are going to be adding.

What’s the main purpose of a trust?

You can boil trusts down to three simple areas:

Convenience — they make the estate planning process easier. Then there’s control trusts control the assets long term. And thirdly, they’re used to minimize the tax and run-off burden of the assets.

RIAs are just on the periphery of the trust business. What are they passing up?

By not getting involved in the estate planning and trust business, RIAs are definitely putting their business revenue at risk long term. To serve next-generation clients, they need to offer this.

Why does not offering trust service affect their business so significantly?

If you’re not doing this work for your clients, it’s Goldman or a handful of other large trust companies, and now even custodians, who are. Fidelity has a direct-to-consumer trust offering. Lots of national trust companies are out there looking for these clients.

So if you’re not bringing this service, clients are eventually going to find it elsewhere.

Any other reason?

Trusts are part of financial planning. It can just be a revocable trust that’s for holding assets and making the estate process a little bit smoother. Sometimes, you don’t need anything more complicated than that.

In other situations, where there’s much more complicated planning, you’re picking the location of the trust, Nevada and Delaware being the two most popular states.

What’s one major way that trust service benefits RIA revenue?

It makes sense economically to your firm. For example, when the client passes away or transfers the money during their lifetime to a trust, you’re able to maintain that relationship with the beneficiary moving forward.

Are RIAs becoming more aware that it would be meaningful to them if they offered trusts?

What has started to occur in the RIA world is that trust companies like Bryn Mawr Trust, National Advisors Trust and a handful of others have said, “Wealth firms, you need to figure out how to solve this issue because most wealth clients would likely benefit from some type of trust planning.”

However, most RIAs probably should not do trust charters and enter into the corporate trustee service. They’re better partnering with one to three trust companies for trust solutions.

Why can’t RIAs just continue to rely on outsourcing trusts to attorneys?

RIAs have become more [nationally focused], and so the attorney down the street doing trusts for them doesn’t work as well because that attorney is going to refer to someone else.

Cutting out that [middle person] is a more efficient way to operate and bring the service inside.

Any other reason that RIA should offer trust services?

In a world where you’re trying to find ways to differentiate yourself — in the client’s view — and show additional value, getting into trust service is a good idea.

And there are peer pressures — not all about fee reduction. It’s “How do I show additional value at the same cost?”

I believe that’s by partnering with trust companies and tax firms. That way, you’re typically able to bring [more] value without having to build out a whole team and [increase] your overhead and cost structure.

So in a world where people want more for less, this is one way: Bring that additional service in-house and pair it with the other value you’re bringing to provide a better client experience.

You’ve said that adding trust services will help clients have an “all-in-one experience.” Why is that so appealing?

The main reasons are convenience and coordination. Most people don’t want to deal with several different financial professionals that aren’t [communicating with] one another.

They should all be coordinating and communicating. If they aren’t, the client feels that their financial plan is disjointed and the components aren’t aligned.

One of the tenets of the CFP planning philosophy is that the CFP should be the quarterback of the planning team, and put it all together.

What are the wirehouses doing about trust service?

With centralized planning, the large firms have started to pull [everything] inside, including trust service. They have investment management, tax practices, estate planning services [and so on] because today more than ever, clients are looking for one trusted source for all that.

Is there anything else that’s contributed to RIAs being slow to add trust service?

RIAs are younger in the financial services market. Goldman, Fidelity and others have a trust service because they’ve been doing it for a long time and have seen this transition for clients.

But RIAs are generally the first generation of firm owners, and their clients are typically their age. So they’re just reaching the first gen of client turnover in the RIA business world.

Most firms haven’t felt the pain yet of their clients passing away.

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