How to Plan Around Tax Politics

Q&A December 03, 2024 at 05:48 PM
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Several of President-elect Donald Trump’s campaign promises pleased many advisors and clients alike. One example is extending the lower marginal tax rates, enacted in 2017, that are scheduled to sunset at the end of 2025.

Other Trump proposals have been greeted with less enthusiasm. That includes putting an end to Social Security taxes, as Roger Young, thought leadership director at T. Rowe Price Associates, maintains in an interview with ThinkAdvisor.

“Eliminating [those taxes] could undermine the Social Security system, significantly accelerating the date that the trust fund runs out,” Young says. “It could put pressure on Congress for other ways to extend the life of the system and avoid draconian cuts to benefits.”

Young, a CFP whose research and analyses provide planning insights for financial advisors, stresses not to make taxes pivotal to a financial plan.

Yet, Scott Bessent, a hedge fund CEO nominated to be U.S. Treasury secretary, is reportedly in favor of making the 2017 tax cuts permanent and doing away with taxes on Social Security benefits.

ThinkAdvisor interviewed Young a few hours before Trump announced his Treasury pick, and Young declined to comment on the nomination.

In the interview, Young suggests some possible tax planning strategies that may be applicable, depending on a client’s situation.

Here are excerpts of our conversation:

THINKADVISOR: What should financial advisors be telling their clients or studying concerning Trump’s campaign tax proposals?

ROGER YOUNG: Reassuring them that they don’t necessarily need to make a lot of dramatic decisions right now but explaining what you know and what isn’t yet known.

People don’t need to feel in a rush to make big changes in advance of tax rates going up because it’s highly likely they won’t be going up in the near term.

What about financial planning? 

We caution people: Don’t let taxes unduly affect the basis of your financial plan. Near-term, you don’t need to overreact to the election results.

But I think there are some highly likely things that people can think about from a financial planning perspective.

Such as?

It seems likely that the lower marginal tax rates in the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that were going to expire at the end of 2025 will be extended.

That’s good. Isn’t it?

Yes, but one thing we’re grappling with is how long they’ll be extended. There’s some uncertainty about what is politically possible and what effect that would have on the [U.S.] deficit and the debt.

How long do you estimate the cuts could be extended?

I imagine the Republicans would certainly like to extend them for at least the period of their control — four years. But it could be 10 or 20 years. We just don’t know.

Why are you “grappling” with the extension issue?

When we think about strategies for our clients, we’re focused largely on retirement strategies and retirement income strategies. And we’re talking about a retirement that could be 30 years long.

Therefore, what should our long-term assumptions be for tax rates? This is very hard to predict.

If you have a long time horizon and if the tax cuts get extended for some time, that would have upward pressure on the deficit and the debt.

Long-term, it might even increase the likelihood that, at some point, tax rates have to go up.

What’s a good financial planning strategy that clients can use right now?

A Roth conversion. That makes sense if you think tax rates today are lower than the rates you’ll be facing in the future.

But now that it’s likely those rates won’t be going up, there’s less pressure on people to do large amounts of conversions in a short period of time. They’ll have a longer time to spread them out.

In our interview in July, you commented that in deciding whether to do a Roth conversion, “a key factor is how much of the portfolio is in tax-deferred assets relative to your income.” Does that still hold true?

It's always going to be an important part of financial planning — that mix of tax-deferred and other assets. It can depend a lot on your stage of life.

Short-term, there seems to be less pressure to try to push a lot more into a Roth in the next couple of years. So there could be some tension between long-term and short-term strategies.

What’s another move that might be appropriate right now?

The exemption level for estate taxes was scheduled to change significantly, and that would make a lot more people subject to estate taxes. Currently, the exemption levels are pretty high, and very few estates incur estate taxes.

One strategy is to take advantage of that higher exemption now and make a lot of large gifts that would be grandfathered in even if the estate tax exemption level goes down.

What’s a good technique for doing that?

One is to use an irrevocable trust to gift and get money out of your estate.

But now that it seems unlikely Republicans will allow estate tax exemptions to go way down, there’s less pressure to rush and make significant gifts in 2024 and 2025.

Should investors be making 401(k) catch-up contributions, especially those who are ages 60-63 and now entitled to a higher catch-up amount? 

Yes. A lot of people are a little behind on their savings, so catch-ups are a nice way to get back on track.

Some find it difficult to save mid-career because of other financial priorities. The catch-up increase for those 60-63 is a good opportunity.

Trump has proposed ending taxes on Social Security. Thoughts?

A large portion of those taxes goes into the Social Security trust fund. So eliminating them could undermine the Social Security system by significantly accelerating the date the trust fund runs out.

It could put a lot of pressure on Congress for other ways to extend the life of the system and avoid draconian cuts to benefits.

I think there will be significant resistance to that [proposed] change because of the impact on the Social Security system.

Trump had also talked about revising the cap put on state and local taxes as part of the 2017 legislation. Your take on that?

It doesn’t seem to fall neatly along political party lines. There were Republicans in 2017 who supported limiting those deductions.

But now President-elect Trump has commented in support of allowing higher deductions for state and local taxes.

So it’s hard to predict how that will play out. Again, I don’t think people need to take a lot of action short-term either way.

Trump said he wants to end tax on tips and overtime. How likely is that to happen?

To me, they were somewhat political statements rather than highly thought-out policy. It wouldn’t surprise me if those don’t make it into law.

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