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To financial planning students, the chief attraction to the career isn’t that it’s a high-paying one.

The primary appeal, according to Barry Mulholland, clinical associate professor in the finance department at Arizona State University, is that it’s a helping profession. Planners can even start out in a supporting role, he notes, and remain at that level if they choose.

“In recruiting, we say that you can make a very good living [as a planner],” Mulholland tells ThinkAdvisor in an interview. “But [students] aren’t necessarily [wanting the job because] ‘This is one of the high-paying jobs out there.’”

Mulholland, recipient of a 2021 ThinkAdvisor Luminaries award, retired as financial director at the University of Akron’s College of Business in August. He quickly segued into teaching at Arizona State, as planned.

ASU students graduating with a degree in financial planning are prepared to take the CFP certification exam right away, then start work at a firm. Before that, though, they still have a lot to learn to be financially literate, Mulholland maintains.

In turn, they’ll be entrusted to educate their peers, the next-gen clients.

In the interview, Mulholland points out the differences in building a practice in 1999, when he became a broker, and starting out as a planner today.

Here are highlights of our conversation:

THINKADVISOR: Why do your students want to become financial planners?

BARRY MULHOLLAND: Anecdotally, it’s that their family has done planning; and they think it’s neat. Or they’re interested in math and are good at it. Or they like helping people. Or because somebody told them they’d be good at it.

They don’t say it’s because they think they can make a lot of money as a planner? 

We promote that these are really good-paying jobs. The [students] don’t specifically bring that up, but I believe it attracts them into the industry.

In recruiting, we, and other financial planning programs, say that this is a helping profession where you can make a very good living.

That gets them thinking about it. But it isn’t one of the reasons I’m hearing that they come into the program. They’re not necessarily looking at it as “This is one of the high-paying jobs out there.”

I hear the helping [reason] a lot.

Tell me about the psychology of financial planning requirement that’s been part of the CFP exam since 2022.

It’s about understanding that sometimes clients’ behaviors are getting in the way of moving forward with their plans. It’s about learning techniques to help them do better. 

But advisors often say, “I don’t care about the soft stuff. My job is about numbers.” Your thoughts?

We recognize that the psychology of financial planning is an important piece. It’s one of the things that’s attracting, and will continue to attract, younger folks, especially those that want to be in a helping profession where they can also use their interest in finance, accounting or financial planning-related topics.

What about the sales aspect of a financial planner’s work? How do students see it?

When I came into the industry as an advisor in [1999], it was through a sales role. Now we have many students who are going out to RIAs if they want [to be] client-facing.

But they also have career paths that aren’t immediately client-facing. From talking to students, my sense is that this is part of the attraction for them.

If they want to start off in sales and create a book of business, those opportunities still exist. But they can also come in as a junior associate and have a career path to grow and create a book of their own.

We no longer require cold calling and phoning 100 people you know on Day 1. Now, people are coming in with basic knowledge and skill and get to build on that.

What sort of work does a junior associate do?

They could start in client services, helping advisors get information they need. Or they might come to a local retail operation in a support role where they’re interacting with clients or helping advisors.

So they start off salaried and with an opportunity to learn how the operation works, get experience and over time, take on more responsibility.

How does that contrast with building a business 30 years ago?

Back then, the approach was getting more clients. Maybe we brought in some staff or partnered with somebody. 

That model still exists at some firms, but now starting off means that the job is more of a client service associate. That could certainly lead to having your own clients, but a lot of these folks don’t necessarily want that.

What do they want?

They could stay back-office if they choose. Over the last 20 years, I’ve seen students that never really wanted to be client-facing but who liked supporting others.

They’re working indirectly with clients, or their clients are internal staff.

What opportunities are there for students who are keen about being in management?

Some organizations allow newer employees to work six months or a year in one area, then move to a different area [and then to others] or do a six-month rotation in four different areas. 

At the end, they’re allowed to move into the area that excites them, become an expert in it and rise up through the management ranks that way.

What’s critically important about working with younger clients that young advisors should know?

Young advisors targeting young clients are going to have to give themselves a lot of education around basic financial literacy.

And they’ll have to educate their clients on many [financial] things, even though there have been some really good efforts [requiring financial literacy] at the high school level nationwide.

What should your students be aware of as to how the planning profession has changed or if a different approach to clients is now required?

Young students coming into the industry may have an incredible amount of value in terms of changes in the way we communicate, the whole social media piece.

Technology is changing so fast, but they seem to adapt to it very well. By having those skills, they’ll help the industry move into that era, understanding that there are potentially a lot of pitfalls from a regulatory standpoint. 

This new generation is going to lead us through using AI as a tool and how to put guardrails around it so it won’t be detrimental.

When it comes to social media, what’s the downside for planners?

It makes it easier for influencers who aren’t knowledgeable to put information out that may not be factual.

The challenge for advisors will be to help their peers [younger clients] sort through what’s good knowledge and what’s not. 

They’ll need to be educators of the younger generation to move them to where they’re making good decisions as they go forward in their lives.

What area of financial planning is difficult for your students?

Tax planning is a challenge for everybody. There are so many regulations and calculations, and the regulations change every year.

They also struggle with the time value of money concept and formulas, and how to do the actual calculations. 

This is what determines what we need to save for retirement. It’s the basic information needed for any kind of goal in financial planning.

Do you get into the practicalities of, say, how financial advisors can help clients save to buy a home?

Yes. We do case studies. Students work on projects, such as recommending that a client get renter’s insurance.

In my risk management insurance course, I want students to think about the issues of liability risk and property risk and how to communicate that to clients.

We try to give students practical experience in our programs so that when they go out to employers, they’ve got that basic start to come into the business.

Besides recruiting, how is the industry attracting more younger people to become planners?

We’re promoting it through financial literacy programs that we’re building around the country. 

Twenty-six states have implemented a financial literacy requirement. Since 2022, the state of Ohio has required that anyone who enters ninth grade earn [one half credit] of financial literacy before they can graduate from high school.     

Pictured: Barry Mulholland


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