Mega-RIAs Will Grow to Rival Wirehouses in Next Decade: Mariner's Bicknell

Q&A July 19, 2024 at 04:41 PM
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Marty Bicknell, CEO and president of Mariner Wealth Advisors

The number of RIAs has grown rapidly in the past several years, but none has become as vast as a sprawling wirehouse. Not yet.

Marty Bicknell offers an authoritative prediction.

"In five to 10 years, there will be a handful of truly large independent RIAs that can rival the size of the wirehouses," Bicknell, CEO and president of Mariner Wealth Advisors, tells ThinkAdvisor in an interview.

It's a good bet that Mariner, fourth on Barron's list of top RIAs, could be one of those.

The Overland Park, Kansas-based firm, founded in 2006, has grown at a fast clip — it has 110 locations nationwide and now advises on a total of $230 billion in assets. Its 1,800 financial advisors include employees and independent contractors. 

Inorganic growth has been a significant key to its success. To date, Mariner has made 55 acquisitions, the most recent of which, a combination of institutional consultants AndCo Consultants and Fourth Street Performance Partners, closed in April. The deal kicked off the firm's Mariner Institutional brand and brought in $104 billion in assets under advisement.

Other brands include Mariner Ultra, for ultra-high-net-worth clients, and Mariner Workplace, for business owners.

Bicknell argues that it's critical for advisors to offer a variety of additional services, and Mariner itself has 125 tax professionals preparing clients' income tax returns. 

"We have all the bases covered," Bicknell says.

In the interview, Bicknell, who spent 16 years with A.G. Edwards before founding Mariner, also talks about the challenge of working with ultra-high-net-worth clients and closely held family businesses.

Here are highlights of our conversation:

THINKADVISOR: What has been Mariner's chief way of growing?

MARTY BICKNELL: We grow organically, but we also grow through acquisitions.

Are you making more of a push to step up inorganic growth?

It's a continuing effort. We made our first acquisition in 2012 and have done 55 in total. The last one [closed] in April 2024.

We'll be announcing another one at the end of July or in early August.

What are the biggest challenges for RIA firms today?

The main challenge for most firms is talent: advisors, non-advisors, leadership.

There are more firms in the registered investment advisory space that are growing, but [the field] is very fragmented. Most firms are at $1 billion or smaller.

The average firms that are growing are having trouble growing beyond the founders and bringing other leadership into the organization.

To what extent does Mariner have an active recruiting program?

We have a recruiting team that's fully dedicated to advisor recruiting and another team that's dedicated to non-advisors.

What differentiates Mariner from other top RIAs?

We have some of the most talented advisors in the industry.

Our organic growth is a differentiator, and it helps attract advisors to the firm. As they grow, we can provide more opportunities for them to serve more and more clients. 

Our expanded services is one of our differentiators. Advisors are coming to us because of them. We have all the bases covered.

We call our advisors "advisors to our advisors." If an advisor needs help taking a client through the sale of a company or estate planning, for example, they can advise them on how to best serve the client.

What's a significant reason for an advisor joining your firm rather than a wirehouse?

The main reason is our ability to have services in-house that surround them in order to elevate their value proposition and the client experience.

Tell me about your firm's breadth of services.

We're expanding from just investments into tax services, trust services, insurance and others. 

Demand from clients is driving many firms to add services. It's a great opportunity to differentiate themselves.

Approximately 85% of RIA firms aren't growing above the market returns. I think it goes back to [lacking expanded] services.

Having all those services and making the [personnel] investment can help firms grow.

We have 125 tax professionals doing tax returns for our clients. That's a significant investment.

A firm with scale has the ability to offer [such services] and absorb those types of expenses; smaller ones don't.

You said that "demand" from clients is driving the move to add services. What are the implications if they don't get them? They'll move to another advisor?

If they don't get the services they're looking for, I think they will. We have north of 15% organic growth every year, and all those new clients are coming to our organization from other advisory [firms] because of our expanded services.

What are the challenges in working with ultra-high-net-worth clients?

They have a lot of needs and demands that are outside of what a traditional client needs. Being able to attract and retain the type of talent [to serve them] is a challenge.

Are those advisors able to serve them because of their experience or education, or both?

It's all of the above: education and training and working with these types of clients for years.

What about the challenges in serving closely held family businesses, as your firm does?

It's more of the same. The needs of a closely held business are legal needs, tax needs, banking needs, planning needs. 

That's obviously outside the typical expertise of the [average] wealth advisor.

You went independent after being with A.G. Edwards for 16 years and only two years before the financial crisis hit. How did your new firm get through it?

Had I known what was coming around the corner, I don't know if I would have had the nerve to start the firm.

But had that been the case, I would have missed the opportunity of my lifetime.

Please elaborate.

In 2008-2009, financial services firms were making decisions just to stay alive, and high-quality talent didn't really like those decisions. So we could hire people of quality that a firm our age and size normally wouldn't have been able to attract.

In an 18-month period of time, we probably tripled the [number] of our employees.

Five years from now, how do you think the financial advisory industry will have changed?

There will be continued consolidation. Acquisitions will continue to accelerate. 

We have 1,800 advisors, but Merrill, UBS and Wells Fargo have something like 15,000 or 17,000 [each]. So we're not even close to their size.

But in five to 10 years, there will likely be a handful of truly large independent RIAs that can rival the size of the wirehouses.

Do clients actually know how an RIA differs from a wirehouse?

I don't think very many clients do. But I think clients know their advisor and trust their advisor regardless of the firm the advisor works for.

I read a study that says most investors don't trust financial services, but almost all of them trust their financial advisor.

What's your outlook for the economy and stock market for the year? 

Optimistic. We think that our projection for the stock market for 2024 was already met in the first six months.

There's no reason, from an economic standpoint, [not to be] optimistic. Inflation has cooled down; it looks tame again. There's no reason to believe that corporate earnings won't continue to increase.

How much longer will only a small number of super-large tech companies be responsible for the record-breaking stock market? 

We think that has already started to broaden out and will continue to. There will definitely be a leveling off of the Magnificent Seven [stocks]; that is, they aren't going to be the only driving force of returns for the rest of the year.

[Many] firms have underperformed, and a lot of investors are thirsting for opportunities from the companies that haven't participated yet.

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