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The Art and Science of Tax Planning for Retirement

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Minimizing taxes on clients’ investments is far from a cut-and-dried matter.

Decisions around Roth IRA contributions and conversions, for example, come with a number of factors for advisors and clients to consider.

There’s both “an art and a science to tax strategies,” Roger Young, thought leadership director at T. Rowe Price Associates, maintains in an interview with ThinkAdvisor.

“A lot of advisors try to stay away from tax-inefficient categories in a taxable account, and that’s appropriate,” he argues. “But there’s also some art … in thinking about the client’s specific needs.”

The art part applies, for example, as to which accounts will hold various assets and the sequence of withdrawal during retirement, says Young, a certified fnancial planner and former Wells Fargo advisor, who provides T. Rowe Price financial advisors with planning insights based on his research.

Clients should be prepared with a tax strategy that works “reasonably well” with the policies of whoever wins the presidential election this year, according to Young, who notes, “That requires some judgment on the part of advisors.”

Here are highlights of our conversation:

THINKADVSIOR: Are financial advisors now becoming more involved in tax planning strategies?

ROGER YOUNG: Taxes permeate a lot of financial decision-making. So more and more advisors are finding that that needs to be part of their financial planning practice.

Advisors can help clients think about taxes and not cross over into giving tax advice. 

How would a client’s tax strategies differ in another Biden presidency vs. another Trump presidency?

You need to have a strategy that works reasonably well in either case. That requires some judgment on the part of advisors.

There’s an art and a science to tax strategies.

We can run numbers assuming that income tax rates [for individuals] change back to what they were before the 2017 tax reform law was passed, as they’re scheduled to in 2026. We also run them with a different assumption of what the tax regime will look like.

What needs to be considered more than an investment’s tax efficiency?

The tax part is important, but other things are more important for success, including saving at a high rate, tax flexibility over the course of the accumulation years and then, in the decumulation years, asset allocation and asset location. 

At what point should an advisor bring up tax planning?

It depends on the type of practice and the life stage of the client. If they’re relatively young, you can influence their decisions early on and help get them off to a good start.

It’s helpful to know the client’s full family picture because that can affect what they should do in terms of Roth IRA conversions, how to set up beneficiary designations and other things that might affect the next generation.

What should advisors know about Roth IRA contributions they might not be aware of?

It’s important to think about a Roth vs. a traditional IRA a bit more deeply.  

A key factor is what the client’s marginal tax rate looks like today compared to an effective rate in the future. 

When you make that Roth decision today, it largely affects the marginal taxes you pay at the highest tax bracket. 

But when you take the money out in the future, it might be a blend across multiple tax brackets. Probably a large chunk of your income will come from retirement assets.

So making that comparison is important. For a young person in a relatively low tax bracket who expects to be earning a lot more later, a Roth contribution makes a lot of sense.

For other clients, you might not want to be that aggressive in doing Roth conversions today under the assumption that rates are going up.

What else should financial advisors know about Roth contributions?

Making that decision if the client is late in their career because there’s tension there: The client might be at a pretty high tax bracket relative to where they are in the rest of their life. But at the same time, they may have already accumulated a lot of tax-deferred assets, which they [will] need to start taking out [of the account].

And those [required minimum distributions] could bump them up into a higher tax bracket unnecessarily.

The Secure Act requires most [inherited] IRA balances to be paid out over a 10-year period, which could have a negative impact on the taxes for a client’s beneficiaries.

A key factor to help guide decisions is how much of your current portfolio is in tax-deferred assets relative to your income.

Please talk more about tax-deferred contributions and bracketing.

Workers who are successful today might be in the 22%, 24%, 32% bracket or even higher.

If you’re making the decision on whether to do a Roth contribution or a traditional IRA, you should be thinking about the bracket you’re in on your last dollar of income.

Then, when you retire, if you’ve got multiple sources of income, including Social Security and a Roth account, some of the money coming out might be in the 10%, 12% or 22% tax rate on a blended basis.

So it can easily be lower than the rate you were paying when you deferred that income.

Getting that balanced rate between the tax-deferred and a Roth is an imprecise science. But over time, hopefully, you’ll end up with some of each. 

That helps you manage your tax situation in retirement.

Is it a good idea for advisors to regularly monitor a client’s tax scenario?

It makes sense for advisors to get a full understanding of the client’s taxable income to make sure they aren’t missing something, especially as the client gets closer to retirement.

But it’s more about the longer-term strategy than specific tips for a given year. 

[However], it’s an opportunity to think about asset location.

Please elaborate on the significance of that.

A lot of advisors try to stay away from tax-inefficient categories in a taxable account, and that’s appropriate. But there’s also some art to it in thinking about the client’s specific needs.

For example, if a client has near-term cash needs and is under age 59 1/2, it makes sense for them to have some bonds in their taxable account even though that’s not necessarily the most tax-efficient type of investment. 

That way, they would, hopefully, have better stability in their principal for when that cash is needed and wouldn’t have to take money out of a retirement account and incur a penalty.

Please talk more about withdrawal timing.

You need to coordinate how you’re going to get income in retirement from a variety of sources.

It’s not a one-size-fits all type of discussion. So you have to really understand your client.

The taxation of Social Security is a bit tricky. And you have to think about how much money will come out of different types of investments and maybe a pension.

How much attention should be paid to the capital gains threshold?

Your capital gains rate generally can be significantly lower than your marginal tax rate on ordinary income.

There can be opportunity at certain times in your life when you might want to take advantage of the relatively high threshold of income before you start paying capital gains taxes.

Tax-loss harvesting offsets gains, but in some cases, as in retirement, you might want to take advantage of the situation of not having any capital gains tax liability.


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