Let's Stop Wishful Thinking About Interest Rates: Skip Schweiss

Analysis June 14, 2024 at 02:27 PM
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What You Need To Know

  • Investors should be prepared to listen to the Fed, according to the RIA industry vet.
  • Rates may feel high but are actually close to average from a historical perspective.
  • Taxes and Social Security remain top issues for advisors and clients alike.
Skip Schweiss

Interest rates stand at a two-decade high and are likely to stay higher for longer than many advisors and investors seem to expect. The result is that monetary policymakers' effort to suppress inflation could lead to unwary clients getting burned.

This was one of the viewpoints offered up by Skip Schweiss in an interview with ThinkAdvisor, given a few months ahead of his third anniversary as CEO of Sierra Investment Management.

Federal Reserve officials now expect to make only one interest-rate cut this year, Schweiss noted, having previously predicted as many as three in March. Jerome Powell, the Fed chair, once again emphasized that the actual decision about cutting rates will hinge on cooling inflation data — not on the markets' wishes or expectations.

And so, investors should be prepared to "listen to the Fed" and stop some of the wishful thinking about rates returning to rock-bottom levels, Schweiss said. They should also think more clearly about just how much economic pain would be needed for rates to fall back down to their pre-pandemic, near-zero levels in anything like a rapid fashion.

It's a classic case of "be careful what you wish for," Schweiss said.

Schweiss is the former president of TD Ameritrade Trust Co. and managing director of advisor advocacy for TD Ameritrade Institutional. He was also the 2021 president of the Financial Planning Association, a role he took on after a prior five-year stint as a board member.

These days, the focus is on growing the distribution of Sierra Mutual Funds and supporting the firm's clients as they navigate a fast-evolving market environment. The role of the financial advisor and how to facilitate client access to the equity and bond markets is undergoing major change, Schweiss added, so the work remains highly engaging.

On Rates and Fed Policy

Schweiss characterizes Inflation and interest rates as "the big open question right now,"

"Nobody can predict the future," he said, "but I've been saying consistently for two years straight now that we shouldn't be expecting big rate cuts. I've said that because I am listening to the Fed."

It almost seems like a decontextualized desire for cheaper credit has been baked into the minds of many market participants, Schweiss said, especially those investors who first entered the markets or otherwise saw their portfolios grow during the period after the Great Recession and before the COVID-19 pandemic.

"It's like everybody got hooked on historically low rates for more than a decade," Schweiss said. "But we have to remember, those rates were not 'normal.' Even today, at rates above 5%, if you are looking at long-term historical averages, rates aren't even that high right now. We're about average, and there's no law that says rates have to go down right away."

Another important consideration that may put a damper on big moves from the Fed is the upcoming U.S. elections, Schweiss said.

"I believe Chairman Powell is very conscious of the appearance of independence," he said. "So, my view is that they're not going to take dramatic action right ahead of the election. That's the conventional wisdom. We also have to recognize that inflation is still substantially above target, and the economy is relatively strong.

"I would like to see us get back to the point where markets are moving less on the Fed and more on the real story of earnings and how the economy is doing," Schweiss added.

Politics and Economics

There are many big issues at stake in November, Schweiss said, but from the perspective of financial advisors, perhaps the most important consideration is what will come with respect to the sunset of many provisions of the 2017 tax overhaul known as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

"I think it's fair to say that the election outcome will have a big influence on whether the TCJA provisions are extended or allowed to expire," Schweiss said. "Looking out further, the biggest questions are about Social Security. … If you think the politics are contentious now, just wait until we get closer to the projected insolvency date beyond 2030."

Congress has many levers to pull to "save" the program, Schweiss said, from tax increases or new means testing to increasing the retirement age or investing a portion of the waning Social Security trust funds in equities.

"At this point, there's no easy button," Schweiss said. "My pet solution is that we are going to have to extend the retirement age, among other changes. We're going to need a broad-based solution and a grand compromise across tax increases on high earners, an extension of full retirement age, and maybe means testing of benefits for highest earning retirees."

Up Next at Sierra: ETFs

Stepping back from the policy arena, Schweiss addressed the evolving investment management marketplace and how Sierra is growing its offerings to suit.

"When I came here to Sierra in 2021, we had four mutual funds, all focused on fixed income," Schweiss said. "At the time, advisors were asking us about putting our risk management discipline into the equity space, so we came out with four more funds on that side. Now, the marketplace has evolved again and is asking us for ETF wrappers."

To meet the demand, Sierra will be releasing four new exchange-traded funds this summer, pending SEC registration, and it will then move onto incorporating these funds into its model portfolio capabilities.

"ETFs are appealing to a lot of advisors today because they have lower costs and more tax efficiency," Schweiss said. "For the most part, though, people are still happy to use mutual funds. I'd guess that about 80% of Americans are very well served in mutual funds, especially in the context of the 401(k)."

Pictured: Skip Schweiss 

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