At Dynasty, Ex-CNBC Anchor Reports for a New Audience

Q&A November 03, 2023 at 10:56 AM
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Veteran broadcast journalist Ron Insana, who joined Dynasty Financial Partners as chief market strategist in July, is helping the firm's RIA partners invest clients' assets with his forecasts for the economy and markets.

He provides his insights to Dynasty's investment committee as well as to those of the firm's network RIAs.

In a recent interview with ThinkAdvisor, he discusses the economy and stock market, including developments that the Federal Reserve needs "to take greater note of," as he frames it.

The Fed will start cutting interest rates next year "to keep any slowdown from becoming a meaningful recession," Insana argues.

He expects a "mild recession" next year and sees nothing "on the horizon that makes [him] feel that 2008 is around the corner again," he says.

During his long career as a TV anchor, Insana has interviewed such leaders as presidents Bill Clinton and George Bush; Mikhail Gorbachev, former president of the Soviet Union; and financial moguls, like Warren Buffett and George Soros.

Insana will be a featured speaker at Dynasty's Investors Forum/23, in Nashville, Tennessee, from Nov. 13-15. There, he will interview Libby Cantrill, head of public policy at PIMCO.

Insana, 62, a regular contributor to CNBC who also presents his views on MSNBC and NBC, started his career in 1984 at the Financial News Network, later acquired by NBC and merged with CNBC. In 2006, he left to start a hedge fund.

In the phone interview with Insana, who was speaking from Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, where he is based, he discusses running that business during the global financial crisis: "It was a phenomenal learning experience … [but] the timing was unfortunate."

Here are highlights of our conversation:

THINKADVISOR: You're a pioneer in financial journalism and have also been an asset manager. What prompted you to take the post of chief market strategist at Dynasty?

RON INSANA: I spent a long time working on the other side of the financial business, not just talking about it but actually engaging in it. 

Dynasty was an opportunity to have a senior position at a growing firm that built a very large platform for independent advisors, a space that I think is going to grow even larger over time.

What I'm doing at Dynasty feeds off everything I've done over the course of the last 40 years, which is to gather and disseminate information.

It's just doing it in a different vertical.

As a journalist, you interviewed many VIPs on television. Are you doing any interviews at Dynasty?

At our content events, I get to interview people about financial markets.

We'll be bringing in interesting people in government and the financial community to have dialogues with.

Our network advisors can have access to some of the people I've come to know over the course of my career.

[My interviewing] will be a very similar experience to doing it on TV, but we're doing it in a private setting.

Who will you interview at Dynasty's Investors Forum/23?

Libby Cantrill [PIMCO's head of public policy] about the intersection of politics and geopolitics on the market and economy. 

And our CIO, Bob Shea, and I will have an on-stage conversation about our shared views of the global economy and markets for 2024.

How are you helping Dynasty's advisor firms to grow?

I'm on the investment team, which means I help set parameters for our OCIO [Outsourced Chief Investment Officer] platform [focused on a range of asset classes including alternative investments]. It's a tool advisors can use to invest their clients' money. 

I meet with the RIAs on our platform, and though I've only been at Dynasty 2 1/2 months, I have had some very productive meetings.

I've shared my insights and thoughts of where I think markets and the economy are headed, what asset allocation models should look like, what opportunities exist in alternative investments that we have access to.

How do you advise Dynasty's leadership when it comes to investment strategy, market intelligence and business development?

I get deeply involved [forecasting] the trajectory of the economy and how that will shape the way we approach our investment process and share that with our OCIO [platform], TAMP and other programs that are available to our advisory firms in making investment decisions on behalf of their clients.

I assist the management team in any way they require to identify prospective investment advisors who might want to make a change and then help to educate them on the difference between being independent and being inside a larger firm; and I meet with their clients, if desired.

On the development side, I've been here for only a few months. But I know a lot of individuals in the investment advisory community and am more than willing to make the case for independence.

What's your outlook, then, for the economy?

I'm reasonably upbeat about the U.S. economy. I understand that the risk of recession is out there and think we'll probably have a mild one next year. 

But at the moment, the U.S. is growing fast with less inflation than other countries and has fewer major problems when compared to other large economies, like China or Europe.

[But] consumers have softened up a little; credit card debt is rather high. We need to keep an eye on those things. 

If the Fed were to take greater note of that and worry less about inflation, then they'll start to cut interest rates; and that will take some of the pressure off any future problems we might have.

What do you think the Fed's moves will actually be next year?

We're facing some upcoming issues in 2024 around the need to refinance quite a bit of commercial real estate debt, and there's the bond market rout that we have seen since the Fed altered its policy from zero interest rates to [now] 5.2%. 

That's something people need to take note of with respect to how that might affect financial institutions over the course of the next year.

I think [the above] will trigger the Fed to reverse course and start cutting interest rates sometime next year in the hope that, No. 1, it will alleviate some of those stresses and No. 2, keep any slowdown from becoming a meaningful recession. 

How bullish are you about the stock market? 

I think you stay reasonably fully invested when your time horizon is in excess of 10 years.

How you allocate assets is a different question, and that changes tactically and strategically over time.

But to dump everything now because you think there'll be a mild recession in 2024 is a bit irresponsible. I have not seen, in American stock market history, stocks lower at the end of any 20-year period than they were at the beginning.

So you don't see a crash occurring next year?

I don't see anything on the horizon that makes me feel that 2008 is around the corner again. 

If something like that were to start showing itself in ways that became extremely obvious, I would most definitely change my view and suggest that we need to take off a lot of risk. It's just not something I see at the moment.

Any other advice for RIAs?

I give the same advice to our advisory groups who are looking to engage in both retirement savings and generate current income as I give to my young-adult children: 

Put away as much money as you can and have as much equity exposure as you can until you make a change in retirement.

Are you looking at any buying opportunities?

I don't make specific stock recommendations and, in public, don't give [forecasts on] sectors. As a journalist, that wasn't part of the job.

And even in this position, I don't step out and say, "I think you should be buying China, or something, right now."

Does the impact of the Israel-Hamas war and the war in Ukraine figure into your market and economic outlooks?

Absolutely. They can influence the course of economies and markets. And energy prices can be affected, as happened at the outset of the Israel-Hamas war. 

I tend not to have a knee-jerk response. I like to sit back a little and try to understand what both the short- and longer-term implications might be.

I would get much more worried from an economic and financial markets perspective if other powers were drawn into [the Israel-Hamas] conflict, and it became a much larger regional war in which we saw massive disruption [concerning] energy.

If things were to spin wildly out of control and draw in Iran and the U.S. with the backing of Russia and China on the other side, you would have to rethink your risk matrix.

But to the extent that that hasn't happened, there's no reason to make big changes in one's portfolio if that doesn't make sense in this context.

You were the CEO of a hedge fund 2006-2008. How was that experience?

It was a phenomenal learning experience because it happened during the financial crisis.

You really came to understand how markets function and, in graphic relief, how government interacts with markets – because you're the one who's in charge of the money, and you're not just talking about it [on TV].

But the timing was unfortunate: We started the business in March of 2006. 

At our peak we were managing $125 million, but our burn rate to support the business was well in excess of our revenues. So I sold the funds, and that was that.

I wish the outcome had been different, clearly. But I enjoyed coming to understand different types of strategies. 

Had we been able to keep the business instead of selling it, I think it would have been a pretty good thing.

Pictured: Ron Insana

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