Advisor to First Responders Says Pensions Can Pose Planning Challenges

Q&A July 17, 2023 at 04:17 PM
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Few financial advisors have clients on the drug and gang task force, the joint terrorism task force and police precinct homicide squads.

Meet Craig Ferrantino, founder and president of Craig James Financial Services, who specializes in serving such workers and other first responders.

He helps them grow their retirement savings, and importantly, keeps their retirement assets — which include a pension and full Social Security benefits — from excessive taxation.

"As an advisor, you have to be very aware of first responders' taxation in future years because they could end up being tax-toxic when all their sources of income are added together. This could throw them into the next tax bracket," he cautions.

A volunteer fire police officer and volunteer certified advanced emergency medical technician himself, Ferrantino is driven by a dedication to look after his first responder clients' financial and retirement planning needs.

"I feel like … I'm a first responder to the first responders," he says in the interview.

The greatest challenge is getting in-person meetings because of first responders' high-stress, demanding jobs, long work hours — sometimes stretching into the early hours of the morning — and their family responsibilities.

Therefore, regrettably, first responders have scant time to devote to retirement planning.

But since they're familiar with work protocols, Ferrantino, a certified financial fiduciary, has created a list of "Retirement Protocols" for them — steps they need to take in pre-retirement, which he discusses in the interview.

Before going independent in 2007, he was with several large firms: JPMorgan Chase, Smith Barney and A.G. Edwards. He began as an advisor in 1997.

Eventually, "I got a little frustrated with the wirehouse thing," he remarks, and opted to go on his own.

Based in Melville, New York, on Long Island, he serves first responder clients throughout New York state. He is fee-based and in addition, has a small commission business.

Assets under management total just under $300 million.

ThinkAdvisor recently interviewed Ferrantino, who was speaking by phone from Melville.

Emphasizing the value of avoiding the toxic-tax pitfall, he maintains that with first responders, "taxation tends to be a high priority. You have to pay attention to it."

Here are highlights of our interview:

THINKADVISOR: You specialize in serving first responders — police officers, firefighters, EMS workers — throughout New York state. What has driven you to focus on this clientele?

CRAIG FERRANTINO: I feel like I'm helping people out, like I'm a first responder to the first responders. I want to take care of them.

I don't see this as a job. I see it as a vocation.

What's different about retirement planning for first responders?

No. 1 is that they have pensions, at least in my territory they do. Pensions are rare [nowadays].

No. 2 is that they usually have high job stress and work crazy hours. They see the importance of retirement planning but don't have the time for it.

Having a sit-down meeting with them will usually take place in the evening.

Do first responders receive full Social Security benefits as well as a pension?

Yes. And they also have to take required minimum distributions [income from retirement accounts].

How does all that affect a first responder's tax liability?

As an advisor, you have to be very aware of first responders' taxation in future years because they could end up being tax toxic when all their sources of income are added together.

That could throw them into the next tax bracket at an older age.

So is this a challenge that's posed in receiving a pension?

When you have a pension, the taxation tends to be a high priority. So with first responders, you have to pay attention to it.

Their pensions are usually fixed. That means that number is going to be reported on their 1040 tax return.

Some first responders die in the line of duty at a young age. How does that reality affect retirement planning for them?

You have to take it into consideration. You want to make sure that they have insurance, and if married, that their spouse is accounted for in the pension or outside retirement assets.

Please explain "accounted for."

If you and I were married and I have a $100,000 pension, if I die and you're not accounted for, you get zero; and the pension dies with me.

But if I add my spouse to my pension, though this may lower it to $90,000 a year for life, now my wife is on it [and due to receive] some percentage of it [at my death].

You've developed a list of "Retirement Protocols for First Responders." Please discuss.

All first responders operate under protocols, or procedures. For example, if you're a police officer, [protocol indicates] when you can use a Taser and when you can't.

Or [if you're an EMT] with a patient in an ambulance, you don't want to give fluids if they have a lot of water in their lungs.

So, you follow procedures so that everyone is safe.

We put some procedures in place on the retirement side. We want to make sure that before retirement, people go through a few steps.

Such as?

Making sure they're maxing out their pension at the service they're working for. That's set by the police or fire department, not by us.

For instance, if you leave a day early, you might be missing a year's pension.

You want to make sure that your spouse is accounted for.

You want to mitigate debt.

These are just some of the things we look at.

You're a volunteer fire police officer and a volunteer certified advanced emergency medical technician. How does that help you in doing retirement planning for first responders?

We work together in a lot of situations, usually emergencies. After a period of time, people feel comfortable with you — they know you and could like and trust you.

Does that ever lead to acquiring them as clients?

Yes. It's a way to get some clients, certainly.

You're scheduled to give a "Law Enforcement" webinar on July 13. What kinds of issues will you talk about?

Some that we just mentioned and that you can plan today — even if you're working only five years — to take care of yourself in the future in terms of retirement.

All that's very valuable. Isn't it?

For those that are motivated, absolutely.

Well, is it hard to motivate first responders to do retirement planning?

As I said, they're under a lot of stress at work. They're running families. They can think they're going to get home at 5 o'clock, but they wind up getting home at 10.

And if something really bad happens, they could be going home at 2 in the morning.

So there are lot of moving parts.

Pictured: Craig Ferrantino

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