How Sallie Krawcheck's Ellevest Is Investing in Women

Q&A March 16, 2023 at 10:30 AM
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Ellevest, the investment firm founded and helmed by Sallie Krawcheck, is investing in a range of private investments for its clients, including women-run venture funds, providing working capital for women-led companies, and affordable housing rentals for women.

This is "the best-kept secret in the industry," Krawcheck, Ellevest CEO, tells ThinkAdvisor in an interview. "Nobody knows about it. But we're doing it … It's tangible dollars so that a woman has working capital for her business."

Ellevest's overall mission is to put more money into the hands of women.

Launched as a robo-advisor in 2016, the firm now also provides the services of human private wealth advisors for investors with a minimum account size of $1 million.

Krawcheck describes the firm's client investing levels as "a continuum."

By standard indications, Ellevest continues to roar ahead. Despite last year's distressing stock market, it had record $1.5 billion in assets under management (she explains why in the interview). Today, the firm manages assets of $1.6 billion.

Last April, Ellevest raised $53 million in a Series B funding round. This included investments from several new women-led investors, such as Envestnet and New York Ventures of Empire State Development.

Returning investors include Melinda French Gates' Pivotal Ventures, Morningstar, PayPal Ventures and Allianz Life Insurance Co. of North America.

Krawcheck, formerly president of wealth management at Bank of America and CEO of Citigroup's Smith Barney, sallied forth on her own in 2013 when she bought the professional women's organization 85 Broads and renamed it Ellevate Network.

She was seeking to advocate the power of diversity to help prevent another financial crisis.

Recently, she sold Ellevate back to its original team.

What differentiates Ellevest the most is that the majority of investments are intended to help advance women, Krawcheck says in the interview.

"We're focusing on people who have been underserved," she notes.

The firm had been managing the Pax Ellevate Global Women's Leadership Fund [now Impax], investing in top companies that advance female leadership.

In 2019, Krawcheck stepped down as chair of the mutual fund and no longer has an ownership interest in it.

She began her career as a research analyst and rose to CEO at Sanford C. Bernstein before moving to Smith Barney.

That the financial services industry has failed to advance more women to senior positions, she candidly chalks up to "bias."

Meanwhile, women in the U.S. in general are disproportionately losing financial ground, Krawcheck argues.

Indeed, the Ellevest Women's Financial Health Index, launched in September 2022, showed a score of only 1.1 out of 10 in December 2022, matching its earlier "rock bottom" score, according to Ellevest.

"Women haven't made as much progress as we all would have guessed 10 years ago," Krawcheck says.

"I wasn't expecting to see how tough things are for women today. Inflation — if you're less wealthy [than men] which women are, it hurts more — and the rollback of reproductive rights, a financial and economic issue, have been significant [challenges] for women this year," she says.

ThinkAdvisor recently interviewed Krawcheck by phone. She was speaking from her Manhattan office.

Making the point that Ellevest is trying to attract clients to environmental, social and governance investing, she said that, for years she was very skeptical about investing for impact.

"But now I'm fully bought in," she maintains. "I don't believe that one needs to give up a financial return to have a positive impact."

Here are highlights of our interview.

THINKADVISOR: What's new at Ellevest?

SALLIE KRAWCHECK: The private investing we're doing is the best-kept secret in the industry. Nobody knows about it — but we're doing it.

Tell me more.

Our investment team has been putting a great deal of time into private investments: workforce [affordable] housing rented to women and families who are in transition — really tangible investments like that.

We're investing in women-run venture funds that are, in turn, investing in women-run startups. It's investing in healthtech, which is health care for women. It's tangible dollars so that a woman has working capital for her business. That's what we've been building. It's more tangible than buying a stock.

Last year there was much grief and aggravation in the stock market, yet your firm had record AUM: $1.5 billion. What are your assets under management now, and to what do you attribute your outstanding performance in 2022?

We have $1.6 billion in AUM.

A driver of growth for us last year and what overcame the negative impact of the market is that two-thirds of our clients have recurring deposits set up to take advantage of dollar-cost averaging.

Another reason is that women tend to weather market downturns better than men. Research has always shown that.

And it didn't hurt that we have a range of private investments we make for clients with the purpose of earning a substantial return, having a positive impact and being good diversifiers.

They did their job last year.

What's your forecast for the economy and the stock market?

The bond market is telling us there will be a recession.

But I know that regardless of any forecasts I have for the economy, the stock market will recover before the economy does.

In fact, the stock market recovers decisively [better] when the economy is still uncertain because it's a discounting mechanism that takes into account so much more bottom-up input than top-down [factors].

Your company keeps expanding with different types of offerings. What are your five- and 10-year plans?

The market we're addressing is enormous, so we have big plans about all that.

But some things are out of our control. One of them is what the market does and funding that's available for the business.

Any new products on the way?

None that I'm ready to tell you about!

Is your business divided into two different halves: one for people who have less money to invest who use your digital service and another, the private wealth offering for investors with a minimum account size of $1 million?

No, not two halves. It's a continuum that begins with the digital technology segment and moves to human engagement.

We help women invest from their first dollar to the private wealth [level]. [At first] they invest in ETFs through digital advisors. Over time, that shifts to a money coach or a CFP who augments the investments with financial plan, and then [investors move] to a full-time human financial advisor.

What characterizes the investments?

Typically they're to help advance women, like women-run venture funds. That's part of our offering that differentiates us from others.

What percentage of your clients are male?

It's a single-digit percentage for the digital [robo service]. When you move to the investors with a financial advisor — money coaches, planners — it's closer to 100% women.

When you move to having a full-time financial advisor, it's 70% women.

Would you pivot from your focus on women and expand to concentrating on serving everybody?

No reason to. Men are very well served by the financial services industry. We're focusing on those who have been underserved. Our target market is half the population.

Why aren't there more women in senior positions in the industry?

The CEO of one of the bigger Wall Street firms said this behind closed doors, so I won't share his name: He noted that when he came in as CEO, he believed that there weren't many senior women because women left to have babies and wanted to take care of their families.

But when he dug into the numbers, he found women have actually left at a lower rate than men.

They stay. They just don't get promoted — even with performance reviews that were as good, if not better, than men's.

They simply didn't get the jobs. And that's just bias.

What are other myths when it comes to women and money?

The biggest myth is that women don't invest because they're risk-averse.

Another myth is that women aren't good at managing their money and purchase frivolous things like pumpkin spice lattes and [wardrobes of] Manolo Blahnik shoes.

Women buy into this view and feel guilt and shame around money.

The vast majority of articles in women's publications perpetuate this myth.

None say there's a gender [pay] gap leaving you with less money than men. Your clothes and haircuts are more expensive than men's. Women get higher interest rates on credit cards.

These articles never say that this is systemic, and it's not the women's fault.

Why did you start your Women's Financial Health Index in September 2022? It tracks and quantifies 12 major indicators into a single score.

To provide a reading on the financial health of women.

Things were rough for women during the pandemic. They got knocked out of the workforce at a greater rate than men. But things were getting better.

And then 2022 happened, which was a pretty hellacious year for women.

Women haven't made as much progress as we all would have guessed 10 years ago. I wasn't expecting to see how tough things are for women today.

The things driving the economic pressure that women are feeling are inflation — if you have less wealth, which women do, it hurts more, particularly women of color — and the rollback of reproductive rights. These have been significant issues for women this year. Reproductive rights is a financial and economic issue. Another is the cost of child care.

Then there's the gender pay gap and that women are leaving the workforce.

ESG investing is controversial and politicized. What are your thoughts about it in relation to women investors?

I'm talking from the perspective of a financial executive: For years, I was very skeptical about investing for impact. I had the belief that you had to give up returns.

But now I'm fully bought in. I don't believe that one needs to give up a financial return to have a positive impact.

My favorite example is investing in women. All the research tells you that diverse teams outperform homogenous teams, that getting to gender balance is a positive and lowers risk [among other positives of ESG investing].

So it doesn't make sense that with all these great things, [impact] stocks are going to systematically underperform.

How do you make your clients aware of ESG investing?

We talk about it on every forum we can: our website, our social following, our newsletter; our money coaches talk about it. We write white papers and articles on it. We talk about it from the stage.

What's been the women's response?

Women are truly drawn to it. For years, every piece of research has shown that women are interested in at least learning about the kind of impact their money is having.

You started your career as a research analyst covering Wall Street. Broadly, people say that equity analysts are overly optimistic in their reports. But Fortune magazine named you "The Last Honest Analyst." Please explain why.

When I was an analyst, it was almost a rule that you had to be optimistic. But I was [realistically] pessimistic.

That was how I made my name — that I wasn't always so bullish made me stand out.

(Pictured: Sallie Krawcheck, CEO of Ellevest Financial)

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