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Advisor Speaks Out on Industry's Treatment of Women

Q&A March 02, 2023 at 04:00 PM
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"Women in finance have the greatest pay disparity of any industry in the United States. They're paid 54 cents for every dollar a man is paid," according to Bridget Venus Grimes, founder and president of WealthChoice financial planners and finalist in ThinkAdvisor's 2022 LUMINARIES awards in the category of thought leadership and education, in an interview with ThinkAdvisor.

If you'd like to know why women are failing to stay in the industry, despite more female advisors now entering the ranks, the pay gap is likely the top reason.

"It's attrition," Grimes says. Women "don't get paid what they should," have inflexible work hours, are unable "to serve [female] clients the way they want to" and lack leaders and mentors, argues the outspoken RIA whose client base focuses on breadwinner women professionals.

Executive women need to have plans built "around their profession" to "grow their career[s]," maintains Grimes. "But our industry typically doesn't focus on that stuff."

She is part of a new mastermind group whose goal is "figuring out how to keep women advisors in the industry," she explains.

A popular speaker and finalist in the 2022 ThinkAdvisor LUMINARIES awards for thought leadership and education, Grimes has co-hosted the Financial Planning Association's Women & Finance Knowledge Circle and frequently speaks to XY Planning Network advisors and at FPA events.

She founded her practice in 2016 after working two frustrating years at Morgan Stanley, where the "commission-based investment focus" wasn't compatible with her idea of financial planning, and spent five years at an RIA, where, she says, as "a very high revenue-producing advisor," she craved advancement.

But the man at the helm labeled her "too ambitious" and "too aggressive."

That was enough for Grimes to realize she needed to run her own shop and in San Diego launched the 100% virtual WealthChoice. At present, with a national client base, she is managing assets of $70 million.

As co-founder of Equita Financial Network for women-led financial planning firms, she leverages scale to offer a platform of services required to run a planning practice, including professional investment management services.

She also helps female advisors with her WealthChoice Community, combining education, support and networking. It features guest speakers discussing topics important to women.

ThinkAdvisor recently interviewed Grimes, who spoke by phone from Arizona, where she resides.

When the conversation pivoted to the book she authored, "Corner Office Choices: The Executive Woman's Guide to Financial Freedom" (Lioncrest Publishing, 2018), she spoke of "four derailers" that block women from reaching financial security.

In the interview, she names all four serious impediments.

Here are excerpts from our chat.

THINKADVISOR: "Traditional financial planning has failed female executives and professionals by ignoring the risks and challenges that often wreak havoc in their lives," your firm's website states. Please elaborate.

BRIDGET VENUS GRIMES: This industry is about money. But I think you provide better work for your clients if you step back and say: This industry is about clients.

Firms don't allow for the time that's needed to help women clients come up with solutions. At my prior firm, we'd do a financial plan and never go back to it. All that you focused on moving forward was investment management.

But life changes all the time. You have to be constantly checking in. The way the industry tends to work is that there's no time for that.

What's the biggest challenge for female advisors today?

Pay disparity: Women in finance have the greatest pay disparity of any industry in the United States. They're paid 54 cents for every dollar a man is paid.

Another challenge is lack of [scheduling] flexibility in the role of financial advisor. Most planning firms don't allow you to work from home or to carve out time you need for your family.

And we have very few women leaders in the industry. We need them.

Why aren't there more female advisors?

Because of attrition.

The great news is that we have more women taking the [CFP] test. But what we don't have is women staying in the industry.

I just joined a mastermind group, the entire purpose of which is to figure out how to keep women in the industry.

The goal is: How to move the needle for women.

Cary Carbonaro [CFP and senior vice president of Advisors Capital Management] is spearheading the launch of this group of women.

She recently wrote an article on the state of women in the industry, and it was damning.

How has the industry changed for women since your first job on Wall Street, with a hedge fund, in 1987?

It really hasn't changed much. That's why we're trying go figure out how to help move this ship that hasn't done anything. It hasn't moved very much in decades.

It's a great industry for women, but they aren't staying because they don't get paid what they should; it's very hard to [tend to] a family if you have an inflexible employer; you're not necessarily able to serve clients the way you want to; and there's nobody ahead of us to be leaders and mentors.

What distinguishes your client niche?

They're breadwinner women, especially women attorneys — who have similar financial and professional challenges to women in finance — women in tech, women business owners. They all have some specific planning challenges.

They're making the money in the family and need a plan around their profession. But our industry typically doesn't focus on that kind of stuff.

It's all about: What are your goals and how much money are you making? Let's just invest the money and make [returns] happen.

But these women need a plan around their career, just like a business plan: What's the plan to grow your career?

How did you come to specialize in executive women? Does it stem from your own life?

I divorced 10 years ago. When I was married, I chose never to pay bills because I had little kids, worked all the time and had a husband.

But when I got divorced, I found that we had debts I didn't know about. I thought, shame on me because I chose not to be engaged.

What work were you doing outside the home?

I had worked at a hedge fund right out of college and traded stocks. To relieve the stress, I took cooking classes. I found that I really loved cooking and started doing it [professionally] at amazing restaurants.

But you can't raise children and have a life if you're in the food industry.

So when I was divorcing, I decided I wanted to get into financial planning and investment management for women just like me.

That's when you joined Morgan Stanley?

Yes. I wanted to have a practice for really busy breadwinner women.

But I realized that the commission-based investment focus there was not why I got into [financial planning].

So you left?

Within two years I moved to a fee-only RIA. My client base was all women professionals.

I was there for about five years, but that [job] didn't work for me [either]. I was a very high revenue-producing advisor, and I wanted to serve the women the way that they needed to be served best.

I wanted to do budgets for them. They were blowing through their money and making no headway in reaching their goals. But I wasn't able to serve them the way I wanted.

I wanted to advance. But I was told by the man who ran the firm that I was "too ambitious" and "too aggressive." He just tore me to little pieces.

And I found out I was being paid a fraction of what they were paying the male advisors.

So you exited, planning to make a lateral move. What happened?

A guy I knew who ran a fee-only firm told me: "You'll never be happy and able to serve women the way you want unless you run your own firm."

And that's why I launched my own practice.

What's the Equita Financial Network that you co-founded in 2018?

A community of fee-only, financial planning-led, women-led firms around the country.

When you have a solo firm and your team is virtual, there's no one to bounce ideas off. A friend of mine had her own firm too, so we became each other's community for sharing best practices and solving client problems.

Then we put together a community in which the [financial advisor] women pay very little to get access to resources for their practices: financial planning [software], trading and portfolio teams — everything they couldn't afford on their own.

You delegate everything, except for the financial planning, so you can focus on your clients. If you want to build out the business, which is a big part of this, that allows you to do so.

If you're looking for a succession-planning option or even an emergency-continuity option, it's an awesome way to find a partner.

Just how does your book, "Corner Office Choices: The Executive Woman's Guide to Financial Freedom," help women?

It focuses on what I consider the four derailers that prevent women from reaching financial security, or financial freedom, as identified by women I've worked with over the years.

They are: 1) Not prioritizing your goals. 2) Not knowing where your money goes so that it can most meaningfully go where it should. 3) Not having a plan around your business or career — this drives all the money and everything else. 4) Not having a plan of action.

All that sounds really basic, but those are, honest to God, the four things for professional women that stand between them and being okay.

(Pictured: Bridget Venus Grimes)

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