The following are notes from Wednesday's municipal bond conference call with PIMCO's Joseph Narens (thanks to Nathan Dutzmann, one of QES's analysts, for listening in). We will follow up with some timing considerations Friday.
1. The Big Picture: "Is the Bumpy Ride Over in Municipal Bonds?"
What happened this fall:
· Yields areup about 100bps on munis.
o Started with Treasury yield increase (caused initially by Treasury sell-off).
o Declining values led to declining fund NAVs led to redemptions led to further declines…
· Federal "Build America" bond (BAB) program was not extended.
o Program offered muni subsidies
· Stream of negative media headlines created a terrible impression of the muni market.
Munis are a credit market and no longer just a pure rates market.
Each muni credit is unique: state vs. local vs. water vs. power vs. university vs. …
Conclusion:In PIMCO's view, likely level of muni defaults is below what market prices imply.
· Popular view of muni debt crisis is overblown
· Total muni debt / GDP ratios and debt service / revenue ratios are not unsustainably high in aggregate, though individual issues may be at risk.
· One risk point: Variable rate demand obligations (VRDOs) represent some roll-over rate risk, but not systemically significant.
o VRDOs are about 10% of all munis and about ¼ of VRDOs are set to expire/roll-over this year.
State deficit projections (and thus default risk) are overstated.
· States rarely rely on deficit financing; 49 states (all but VT) have balanced budget amendments.
· Future spending projections do not account for constitutionally required cuts.
· Budget proposals in many major states (Calif., Texas, N.Y., Ill.) are addressing the problem for future years as well as this year.